The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. Thanks, Mike. Had drinks in the Irish Embassy (in Korea) as an invited Englishman. It has earned a permanent place in my cabinet right next to my Glenrothes 1995 which I prefer over all the other SM brands including MacAllan 18 & 25. Ive never even seen a bottle of Paddys (although I havent really been making an exhaustive search). Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Ive been to the area that Bush Mills in manufactured and its total UFV territory. To those who want to talk about Catholic vs Protestant issues, at least go visit the country before assuming anything. 1 line was bottling Bushmills. Counter-Reformation, also called Catholic Reformation or Catholic Revival, in the history of Christianity, the Roman Catholic efforts directed in the 16th and early 17th centuries both against the Protestant Reformation and toward internal renewal. The Plantation of Ulster is when the King of England gave lands away in Northern Ireland to the English that originally belonged to the Irish. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. Believe in the Trinity of God. Is Misty protestant? In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. In the mean time, the closest I can get to Ireland is my Bushmills and Guinness at night, and Kerrygold butter on toast for breakfast. hint of linseed. Thank you for the real-world experience! I am pretty sure that if you visited the Guinness brewery in Dublin your guide would not have mentioned the fact about the companys discrimination against Catholics, let alone advise on boycotting it. Funny. I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. The Thirty Years' War was a series of wars in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. They also bottle Powers & Paddys as well. I drink and enjoy both, but based on my experience(s) in Ireland lets just say watching you order a Bushmills in Dublin would be very entertaining. [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. My grandmother preferred Bushmills (on ice, with a large splash of water). When Alfred Barnard, the British historian visited John's Lane in the late 1880s, he noted the elegance and cleanliness of the buildings, and the modernity of the distillery, describing it as "about as complete a work as it is possible to find anywhere". And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. Im leaving this post up as an archive, but I encourage you to read that article first, and if you, As far as Im concerned, springtime is Dark and Stormy season. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. Still enjoy the Black Bush and the Bushmills 16yr. Roman Catholic influence on the whiskey world doesn't end with Henry VIII, however. Ferdinand II was a devout Roman Catholic and relatively intolerant when compared to his predecessor, Rudolf II. Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. This is excellent. My growing up yearsnot virulently anti catholic just plain anti-catholic. Makes me want to get on a plane to Dublin immediately., Its like loving the smell of a sharpie or gasoline, in small way Kelsey Crenshaw. It all comes down to politics in the grand scheme of things, be you Yank or Paddy. Cheers! He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! He said, I guess they will have to be giving up the Guiness as well? Have an OHaras Red and a Jamison on me. Despised it. Arthur Guinness was a Protestant and a Unionist. What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? There is only one Catholic church in my town the rest are Baptist or other protestant. one night. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. Jamesons for sure. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! The whiskey was originally produced in Tullamore, County Offaly, Ireland, at the . I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. No coffee or anything green. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. It is all quite harmonious between the distilleries. He replied, Bushmills. The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. Bushmills I like, but I like Irish Whisky best of all the brown stuff. I dont give a rip shit about religion and in fact LOATHE the typical evangelical protestant types like Swaggart, Murdoch etc. In side-by-side STEEL CAGES!! In 1989, Irish Distillers itself became a subsidiary of Pernod-Ricard following a friendly takeover. Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. So, which Irish whiskey is Catholic? Hi all, please dont reinforce past troubles by making brand choices based on hatred. Protestant - to 'protest'. Do you have a clue what an ol Yankee could do there for wages? I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. and my green on July 12th. None of that means shit. To complicate the issue even more, Bushmills has been owned by a big drinks corporation since 1972 (first Irish Distillers, now Diageo), but before then it was owned by a Scottish Jew! I also like Writers Tears, Bushmills and the Redbreast (12 more so than the 15). As far as I know, spirit doesnt really care which way you worship your sky-fairy. As the Protestants had pretty much a stranglehold over all shipping in the country, they refused to ship Dew in favor of the Protestant-produced Jameson. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. Funny how these things work out, innit? But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. Have a good one. My mother, an Irish protestant spoke hatred against the Catholics. Like Jameson, it is blended whiskey, some combination of pure pot-still whiskey with column-still grain whiskey (allegedly 70% pure pot still to 30% grain). Spose its kinda like Rangers (hoik-phew) and Celtic FC really. This works in the same way that Protestants love their Guinness just as much as Roman Catholics in fact, I know a lot of Catholics who never drink the stuff. Corned beef as it exists today is an industrial product which was created during the British Industrial Revolution, with production centred around Ireland. Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. Good luck and god bless Hun. When Tug McGraw was interviewed after winning the world series in 1980, they asked him what he was going to spend his series winnings on. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. Right now Redbreast, Bushmills 10yr Single malt ( drinking neat as I type), Jameson and Michael Collins Blend. Finish Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. By far the biggest of this selection. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. Anyone try Kilbeggan Irish Whiskey? Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. Im an American Catholic raised in the bible belt, West Virginia to be exact. Bushmills is distilled in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. : ). catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? These ideas still run deep and there are still a lot of untrue things people believe about Catholics. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. I hear that William Grant & Sons has a contract with LDI to have Tullamore Dew produced in Cork until 2025, so they will have to either be creative to release anything from the new distillery or have some mighty fine aged whiskey come the latter half of the next decade. Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. Protestant whiskey is typically made in Northern Ireland, while Catholic whiskey is made in the Republic of Ireland. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. [3][1] The distillery, which had an output of about 6,000 gallons in its first year of operation,[4] initially traded as James Power and Son, but by 1822 had become John Power & Son,[1] and had moved to a new premises at John's Lane, a side street off Thomas Street. Just got back from Dublin yesterday & loved reading the post & all the comments here. Powers Gold Label is also wonderful and dirt cheap. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. Just setting the record straight. I am Catholic and Slovak and do not care what the British have done to the Irish. Thank you everyone for the new rea, Finally home from three wonderful days in Berlin a, When life gives you fresh passionfruits. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. Cured beef appeared in many cultures and has no clear beginning. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. Plus, many of the whiskies can be sipped neat or on the rocks. Anyway, both of your sources are wrong, but at least your father got the order right. Im thankful for everyone who, New York City! Come back if yer all so fucken proud. I still live there. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. Im a Redbreast man first when feeling flush, but usually turn to Powers or the old John J when cash flow is normal. The whole time I was in Dublin (or even while I was Belfast) I never once heard anyone say anything about any whiskey having a religion. The full like of Bushmills (and a couple of other Irish whiskeys) will be available for sampling at Whiskies of the World on March 27th. Whiskey, or "uisce beatha" in the Irish language, is an integral part of Ireland and Irish culture. My hat is off to you, for your spookily informative collection of posts. He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. Wonderful thread. Very sweet (like the inside of a burnt marshmellow). I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. 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