well. It depends upon the spiritual needs of the person. Last time Mormons exercised proper common consent was when BY was elected president. During these discussions Runnells sought answers for questions posed in CES Letter and raised concerns about the LDS Church's recent historical essays (http://lds.org/topics/essays). In the mid-20th century the church began to forcefully discipline Mormon intellectuals who challenged the orthodox view of history. unofficial Mormon apologists who attacked me. I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. michael b rush excommunicated. last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lord's commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. More often than not, if the person is not endowed, it will be disfellowship rather than excommunication, but it is up to the circumstances, etc. publicly correct them. If a Bishop recommends disfellowship does it have to then go to a Bishop's court? offering to answer my questions or to find answers to my questions, I have found that rather than getting answers, I instead get silence and ultimately You did not have to retrospectively create a false story about angelic visitors to possess that power it was there all along, but the church blinded you to it. Word on the street (my in-laws) is a bunch of people are jumping off the Titanic right now. - Elder Steven E. Snow, Current Church Historian, To say that I'm extremely disappointed and frustrated with your decision to hold a disciplinary council against me would be an understatement. Wanting to understand these historical issues, Runnells learned about and was specifically disturbed by Joseph Smith's marriages to already-married women, and Book of Abraham historical criticisms. More recently, a Mormon feminist, Kate Kelly, was excommunicated in 2014 after founding a movement that advocated for the ordination of women in the all-male LDS priesthood. As current Church Historian Elder Steven E. Snow concedes, the church's pattern has been to not be transparent or complete about records, facts I - President J. Reuben Clark, "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." the LDS Church in their attempts to character assassinate Jeremy Runnells' name, integrity, and character through their extremely vague accusations and Mormon blogger and podcaster John Dehlin, who was excommunicated for apostasy from the LDS Church on Feb. 9, has filed an appeal to the faith's governing First Presidency, claiming the action was "a flawed and unfair process." In a Tuesday letter, Dehlin says that evidence his local Mormon leaders used to justify the excommunication namely . doctrine.". My wife committed adultry and she had a bishops court but the decision was to put her on formal probation. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the In fact, I recall asking you to give me the definition of "apostasy" from the Handbook after you accused me of it. disciplinary council scheduled for March 20th 2016 is cancelled. You may as well appeal; voting opposed, pointing out issues, and letting others know why one votes opposed really shouldn't be death sentences and that is the reasons given for the excommunication, meaning those are the best reasons that could be determined. Such things as murder, adultery, sexual perversion, or any other serious offense that resulted in a conviction by civil courts such as a felony. March 15th, I invite you to participate in a private written dialogue. In your April 7th disciplinary council letter I received from the Stake Clerk, you accused me of apostasy along with the following accusations How the Mormon Church Punishes Dissenters. Some of these volunteers have offered the translations before I announced to the public that I was Runnells received a phone call from Ivins himself a little past noon. Out of curiosity, do they make those numbers public or do you have a source? I trust that you will not ambush me with a disciplinary council on March 15th. An Eagle Scout, Returned Missionary, BYU alumnus, Jeremy was married in the San Diego Temple with expectations and plans of living Mormonism for the rest of his life. I need to communicate via email as it's easier for me than over the phone (I'm still hard of hearing and You likewise refused to answer and clarify. defend myself vigorously. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in I have come to see for myself that the church does not want people who ask hard questions. From a predeliction towards 'adult beverages'??? ", "Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church At Excommunication Hearing In American Fork", "Jeremy Runnells and His Letter to a CES Director", "Inside the Secret Facebook War For Mormon Hearts and Minds", "The Trials of YouTube Jesus: A Mormon Apostate Fighting for His Family", "Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' resigns from Mormon church", "Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church after disciplinary council", "Jana Riess: This is your brain on Mormon Facebook", "Understanding Mormon Disbelief: Why do some Mormons lose their testimony, and what happens to them when they do? Regardless, I wish to express gratitude to President Ivins for his offer to hold an informal meeting in March before any disciplinary court to explain to Fox 13 covered the event and Runnells was interviewed by the Salt Lake Tribune after the event. To be clear, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily resigned his membership from the LDS Church. interested media, along with supporters of Runnells, are invited to attend and show support. "As the letter shared by Ms. Helfer indicates, the decision of the local leaders was based on her public, repeated opposition to the church, church leaders and the doctrine of the church, including our doctrine on the nature of the family and on moral issues," Hawkins said in a statement. No more, Elder Ballard said, no matter how sticky the issue "To name a few such topics that are less known or controversial, I'm talking about polygamy. She has been living in Utah for over a year.). 7:15pm at the Stake Center. section is basically for lazy people who don't want to listen to or read the entire thing but who still want the main points and meat of the conversation correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter or website, the church would be telling the world that it is not interested in honesty, transparency, and In his letter, Meeks alluded to the LDS "concept of the Negro and his position as to the Priesthood" as well as inquiring about the presence of any "pure white blood" among the Cubans and commenting on the "ignorance and superstition" of the people there. In your letter, President, you stated the following: "As His representative in the stake where you reside, I want you to know that I stand ready to help you and your family in any way that I can.". and what took place. Again, it is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. concessions given in its essays. publicly making the corrections.". To claim or imply that the acceptance of donations is wrong for CES Letter Foundation but totally okay for organizations like FairMormon can be an advocate for the Saints in your Stake. The February 28th cancellation of the March 20th court has nothing to do with my grandfather's passing. You have refused over and over and over and over and over to show me any errors or mistakes for me to publicly correct. You are the owner of your life and your identity. along with corrections were included in the document. I still do not know what exactly I'm being charged with or why I'm being taken to a disciplinary council. This is my summary of the heartbreaking saga with my commentary on how it relates to the LDS faith crisis issues I write about frequently. Runnells made the observation that it appeared that Ivins' interpreter offer was his Plan B only if Runnells showed up with his own interpreter and put up a fight. Those who are excommunicated can return and have their Church membership readmitted through the process of repentance and baptism . The fact that you are still using this against me demonstrates Rather than get the answers from you which I waited a year and a half for, instead I received threats of excommunication. Yet, that didn't stop him from attempting to spiritually execute me. By laying out these two This is a kangaroo court. Elder James J. Hamula, a member of the Quorum of the Seventy, was released and excommunicated, the @LDSchurch said. An evening when all the men in that room, including yourself, should be spending with their loved ones. agreement by pushing to excommunicate me for reasons I did not know or understand. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion, Mormon School Fired Professor for Pro-LGBT Online Post. The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest, the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid. 18:31 (Mosiah 26). However, in light of your recent surgery and the fact that you have a close member who is near death, I have decided to postpone For those of you who are silently struggling with doubtsstop doubting your doubts. truth. Those of you that have served in Bishoprics, pls correct me if I am wrong: Pam, I believe that disfellowship requires a court. The folks that I shared the letter with online for editing and feedback found value in it for themselves to give to their own family members and friends This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. As for translations, I have spent exactly $0 on translations. The simultaneous loss of these two witnesses of the Book of Mormon caused great sorrow throughout the Church. goal has been to get official answers from the church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. We stand with you, Sam! After four years of research into Joseph Runnells publicly announces the latest updates (screenshot): Many of you have emailed me or contacted me to ask for an update on the LDS Church's Excommunication attempts against me. had suggested in an earlier email. Fox 13 did a piece on Runnells and the event: Runnells hilariously gets job proposal from LDS Church. If you wish to do this, there are certain conditions: 1. They're in apostasy. (screenshot): Dear Brother Runnells - Thank you for the email and the expression of your feelings regarding your current situation. The recordings and emails speak for themselves. This is great news as Elder Ballard has just given his apostolic permission to members, including me, to be more open about and discuss the problematic Third, Ive never heard of a time limit being preset for a hearing. For your convenience, I am copying/pasting from Unfortunately, How to not apostatize from the LDS church By Sam Pinson. questions with the complete expectation of a victorious outcome in favor of the LDS Church's foundational truth claims. 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