The Defense Department didn't go for it. But then January 6 happened, you know, the insurrection. When does he do this, and do we know why? In 2018, Ms. Jorge infiltrated the congressional campaign of Ms. Spanberger, posing as a campaign volunteer. Attorneys for the outlet say The Intercept has no particular connection to the state and Princes ties are uncertain. They used a code name LibertyU for their operative inside the organization, Marisa Jorge, who graduated from Liberty University in Virginia, one of the nations largest Christian colleges. In 2017, he met with White House and Pentagon officials to pitch a plan to privatize the Afghan war using contractors in lieu of American troops. Why are they there? For instance, Princes 2014 memoir said he splits his time between homes in Virginia and Abu Dhabi, where he pursues a variety of business ventures.. Erik Prince Helped Raise Money for Conservative Spy Venture, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/erik-prince-spy-operation-trump-democrats.html. In a Jan. 15 order, U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson of Cheyenne tossed out Prince's defamation lawsuit against The Intercept. DAVIES: So he is the guy who hires this British spy, Richard Seddon, to train operatives to, you know, gather intelligence from, you know, Democrats and progressives. GOLDMAN: Beau does. DAVIES: Right. Prince invited Project Veritas operatives including Mr. OKeefe to his familys Wyoming ranch for training in 2017, The Intercept reported last year. I know that, you know, one of the first instances of his association with this - or maybe the first instance of his association - was in an Intercept article in which O'Keefe had posted a picture of himself firing a pistol with a silencer on Instagram. McMaster, Trump's second national security adviser. In an archived version of her LinkedIn page, Ms. Jorge wrote she had a deep interest in the conservative movement and hoped one day to serve on the Supreme Court after attending law school. The life of Erik Prince has been a complicated globe-trotting journey complete with extensive mercenary activities, spying on American citizens, brokering arms deals with despotic regimes and essentially taking advantage of any situation he can in order to line his personal pockets. And they admitted doing, you know - engaging in political activity while working for these government institutions, which Project Veritas asserted was, you know, wrong or even, you know - I can't remember if they said it was illegal or not. And they targeted a reporter, a Washington - a very good Washington Post reporter named Stephanie McCrummen, who - they picked up on it very, very, very quickly GOLDMAN: And figured out that this woman was not who she said she was. The financial document also listed the names of others who gave much smaller amounts to Project Veritas last year. And then they married last week. #Veritas pic.twitter.com/4IFvjKurGK, In the pending defamation case, Princes attorneys have cited that reporting as evidence The Intercept knew Prince did his business from Wyoming, going as far as to allege the articles unstated focus was on Princes reputation and livelihood in Wyoming., The Intercept attorneys, however, pointed to past statements from Prince and records indicating he lives in Virginia. Currently, Prince leads a Hong Kong-based firm providing security, logistics, insurance and infrastructure services in parts of Africa and other high-conflict areas. According to the documents, Mr. Seddons operatives also aimed to dig up information on Steve Harshman, the Republican speaker of the House in Wyoming at the time, who was also seen by some conservatives as not sufficiently supportive of Mr. Trump. Presented with the details of the operation, Ledeen told the Times she was just a messenger, "not part of a plot.". But in a pending lawsuit, Prince asserts the April 13 story from The Intercept was false, defamatory and aimed at Wyoming. Because of the article, Prince says his reputation and professional opportunities within Wyoming suffered, along with his business interests and reputation in general. The parties are currently awaiting a ruling from Judge Johnson, who could choose to allow the case to proceed in Wyoming; permit some more limited fact-gathering about the appropriate jurisdiction; transfer the case to New York; or throw it out entirely. The year after the sting, Democracy Partners sued Project Veritas, and its lawyers have since deposed Mr. OKeefe. GOLDMAN: Richard Seddon is a former MI6 spy. His attorneys allege the outlet is trafficking in lies, showed an obvious and intentional disregard for the truth and effectively made Prince out to be a traitor. Well, that and - by the way, at some point - I don't know the time period. What does that tell us about Erik Prince? Mr. Seddon used other former Project Veritas employees to help with the Wyoming operation, including James Artherton, a British operative code-named kimchi who was involved in a Project Veritas plan targeting an editor for The New York Times in London in 2017. Mr. No one tells Project Veritas who or what to investigate, he said. But if the case was transferred to New York, that states laws could apply. He's been reporting on an effort by conservatives to train operatives in undercover operations to infiltrate progressive groups and Democrats. You know, they were always - you know, always on the lookout for connections they could make. We know that because Glenn put it up on his Instagram account. Of course. They'd been recruited and trained in an operation led by a former British spy and security contractor Erik Prince, an avid supporter of Donald Trump. DAVIES: He was at a meeting in the Seychelles, the islands in the Indian Ocean, January of 2017. He did not respond to follow-up phone messages or an email. If Judge Johnson concludes he lacks jurisdiction to hear the case in Wyoming, Princes attorneys say the suit should be transferred to the Southern District of New York, where The Intercept is based. Many conservatives have gleefully pounced on Project Veritass disclosures, including one particularly influential voice: Donald Trump Jr., the presidents eldest son. Is that what these interviews were about? I mean, we know that Erik Prince was trying to sell a plan to the Trump administration to put these - for him, in fact, to put a private, you know, army of a bunch of mercenaries in Afghanistan and sort of take over those responsibilities from the government, sort of, in some ways, replace the U.S. forces on the ground there. I think it was called "Deep State Exposed" or "Deep State Uncovered." We're still trying to fully understand how Project Veritas, which is founded by James O'Keefe, actually came into contact with Erik Prince. The plan was reportedly to send a female operative to Tosca, a restaurant McMaster frequented, to engage him in drinks and conversation and record him disparaging Trump or making other inappropriate remarks on camera. DAVIES: That's a really fascinating example of the power of, you know, database reporting now because you knew they were doing the thing in Georgetown, but their campaign contributions in Wyoming have to be publicly reported. DAVIES: Right. And Beau eventually divorced his wife. DAVIES: And then Beau and Sofia married, right? He's a reporter for The New York Times. O'Keefe did not respond to the substance of the Times' report but did accuse the newspaper of running a "smear piece" on Project Veritas. Not saying this is the case with Mr. O'Keefe, but it's sort of hard to fundraise that way if you're only doing one thing a year or if it's - you know, there are long periods of silence between each expose. And, I mean, they were both active, but she was literally, you know, infiltrating these Democratic groups. Mr. You know, this is something we haven't seen, right? Neither party wants to be, you know, exposed to this kind of spycraft - right? GOLDMAN: You know, individuals - we're not exactly sure who was behind this effort - but it's clear that they believe that, you know, H.R. And so these people were brought on to help manage these many, many, many, many operations. Where we're not - what we hadn't really seen was an actual British spy, somebody trained in clandestine activities, launching a secret operation using undercovers with false - basically false cover stories to infiltrate political circles, gather information and collect it for whatever purpose, I guess, because ultimately, as our story says, this appeared to be a paper play. And her picture wasn't her name GOLDMAN: It was a fake name, Maria. Prince is under investigation by the Justice Department over whether he lied to a congressional committee examining Russian interference in the 2016 election, and for possible violations of American export laws. McMaster. And by the way, as we began reporting this, we started learning more about Beau's connection to people. So what I'm saying is from Richard Seddon's standpoint, the fact that she had a picture up on Project Veritas Exposed, that was a real risk they were taking, right? And, you know, there were a whole range of people they went after. DAVIES: That's the Government Accountability Office. In the case of the FBI, you know, they were looking for bias to see if somebody - they could get somebody to say something anti-Trump, which, of course, fit the theme at the time because, you know, these infamous text messages between these two FBI officials who had worked on the Russia investigation - the FBI's Russia investigation had come out, right? When a muckraking news site published a story alleging private security contractor and Blackwater founder Erik Prince had offered his services to a Russian mercenary firm, the connections to Wyoming were not obvious; the state was never mentioned in the piece. if( width > 480 ){ DAVIES: Right. document.write ("'><\/scr"+"ipt>"); Prince, Mr. Seddon and other topics, but he called his group a proud independent news organization that is involved in dozens of investigations. DAVIES: Let's talk about some of the people who are behind this. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Princes voter history from 2002 and 2017. They had a private security firm. Mr. You know, she attended that. It's my understanding he designed the training exercises, which could have included, like, you know, going out to bars in Cody and trying to get people's names and numbers, how to pitch somebody in an elevator, how to spot people who could potentially provide you information. GOLDMAN: These were videos - you can find them on Project Veritas', you know, website or on YouTube now. GOLDMAN: Yes, very wealthy and very conservative. Defendants wrote and published a false and defamatory article about a Wyoming residents Wyoming-based business activities knowing that it would cause harm principally in Wyoming, New York attorney Matthew Schwartz charged in one filing. Prince had hired a former MI6 officer to help train the Project Veritas operatives, The Intercept wrote, but it did not identify the officer. DAVIES: Adam Goldman, thank you so much for speaking with us. zoneId = '8'; So O'Keefe's Instagram photo, you know, led people to realize that, you know, Prince had played a role, at least in letting Project Veritas use the ranch for training. James OKeefe, the head of Project Veritas, last year at a White House social media summit. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR. if (document.MAX_used != ',') document.write ("&exclude=" + document.MAX_used); (Photo: Gerry Broome/AP) MIDDLEBURG, Va. A cheery fire warmed the glass-walled conservatory of the Goodstone Inn in Virginia's. GOLDMAN: Well, they - you know, they - Beau is from Cody, Wyo., so he had some Wyoming roots. According to its latest publicly available tax filing, Project Veritas received $8.6 million in contributions and grants in 2018. While he has not been actively involved in Wyoming politics specifically, Prince comes from a political family he is the brother of U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and is an active political donor. Our understanding of the operation is that Mr. Seddon, while employed, in fact, at Project Veritas, was involved in this. Mark Gordon, who was viewed as a RINO in some Wyoming conservative circles. DAVIES: But the idea was that these public officials or FBI agents were secretly - they were part of the deep state. The companys principal office is listed as being at the Prince familys ranch in Wapiti, though the mailing address is a property in Virginia. ', Death toll keeps rising in Greece's deadliest train crash, US Attorney General Merrick Garland testifies before Senate Judiciary Committee, Lineup announced for this years Capitol Hill Block Party, There's no shortage of salt for NYC roads, Temple University students march and protest to demand better safety. Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, a private security contractor firm used extensively by the administration of George W Bush, is said to be "seriously considering" challenging Wyoming. DAVIES: But Sofia was just - she was active. Prince provided funding to hire a tech adviser to ascertain the authenticity of the emails. Later that year, Mr. Emails sent to Mr. Seddon went unanswered. Is he actually providing those kinds of services? And, you know, typically they would have a male individual working for Project Veritas who would accompany these women on these dates as sort of, like, security. Mr. Separately, Ms. Gore unsuccessfully tried to raise money for the project from Foster Friess, a billionaire Wyoming businessman, during a January 2019 meeting, three people said. So he's certainly moved in this world before. In particular, you know, Sofia targeted a employee with the GAO. GOLDMAN: Well, I think it was - our latest story revealed, you know, at least one person who had been working for the Democrats thought that Sofia likely might have gotten some damaging information about Democratic efforts to help, you know, moderate Republicans. Mr. Seddon was not. DAVIES: Right. Ms. Jorge, 25, did not respond to email addresses associated with her Liberty University account. GOLDMAN: What - the training they got was when they worked for an outfit called Project Veritas. Project Veritas tax filings list Mr. Halderman as a project manager.. Prince said he regularly host[s] customers, investors, employees and other business associates at my Wyoming ranch.. contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trump's education secretary has drawn. Adam Goldman, welcome back to FRESH AIR. Cole pointed to various records, including a campaign finance document from earlier this year, in which Prince listed his address as being in Virginia. And his son - he brought his son, who was a former army officer, on board to help. Adam Goldman is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. Their attorneys wrote that the story did not focus its efforts on or in Wyoming, nor would it have any reason to do so . And, you know, Seddon was out at the farm. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. And, you know, they targeted somebody from the State Department, and they targeted somebody from GAO. There was a massacre at a plaza in Iraq. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. But before the parties get to the lawsuits merits, The Intercept is contending, among other arguments, that Wyoming is not the right place for the case to be heard. She was doing outreach to, you know, Democratic figures in Wyoming. And he ends up giving, you know, $6,000 to Wyoming Democratic Party and also money to other political figures. AFT Michigan sued Project Veritas in federal court, alleging trespassing, eavesdropping and other offenses. }else{ In 2018, an operative working for Project Veritas infiltrated the campaign of Abigail Spanberger, who went on to win a congressional seat. Presiding Judge Johnson, who is based in Cheyenne, has himself signaled some uncertainty about whether Wyoming is the right place for Princes case to be heard; in early November, Johnson asked the parties to submit additional briefs on either transferring the case to another district or delving further into the issues related to jurisdiction. She went to meetings. You know, in this recent story that you wrote with Mark Mazzetti of the Times, you introduce us to a couple. Mr. Halderman was copied on several messages providing updates about the Michigan operation, and in one message, he gave instructions to Ms. Jorge. - not one expose every year. Prince also allowed Project Veritas to use his familys Wyoming ranch for training. Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. document.write ("&loc=" + escape(window.location)); And, yeah, people steal lawn signs. Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. Mr. Seddon and Ms. Gore did not respond to messages. DAVIES: So an active player in the Trump world. The teachers union is asking for more than $3 million in damages, accusing the group of being a vigilante organization which claims to be dedicated to exposing corruption. He's, you know, the private military contractor. In more recent years, Prince has remained a mover and shaker and a controversial figure on the international stage. Is this stuff a crime? [I] was a Wyoming resident for many years,, That same day Oct. 9, 2017 Prince obtained a Wyomings drivers license, which he touted, In early 2017, Prince reportedly welcomed James OKeefe and others from the conservative group Project Veritas, which describes itself as an army of guerrilla journalists. That February, OKeefe tweeted an image of himself taking aim with a silenced handgun amid snowy mountains, saying the team was undergoing intense training from a classified location as we make Project Veritas the next great intelligence agency. The Intercept ultimately, Other outlets, however, have continued writing about the contractor. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. However, the story quoted a former U.S. Treasury official who suggested simply making an offer to assist Wagner might have violated current U.S. sanctions in place against the Russian firm. A former British spy and Republican mega-donor Erik Prince, a founder of the private military contractor Blackwater (now rebranded as "Academi) and brother to former U.S. Education Secretary. GOLDMAN: Yes. He worked with the former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn during the presidential transition. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and our guest is Adam Goldman. So somebody was just waiting - and it turned out to be me and Mark - to come along and make the connection between the Sofia de LaRocca (ph) out in Wyoming and "Maria," quote, unquote, on the Project Veritas Exposed website. Of course, everybody's familiar with Watergate, right? But Trump would, from time to time, cite Project Veritas videos in his, you know, comments, public comments and speeches, right? Why did they want to embarrass him and get him out of the government? One of the people involved in the McMaster plot was Barbara Ledeen, a longtime Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee before retiring, she says, earlier this year. And it all kind of went south when the Post exposed it. Wagner which The Intercept described as a semi-private military force that operates in countries or conflicts where the Russian government seeks plausible deniability for its activities reportedly turned down Princes offer. The ex-undercover British spy, Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. They were, in fact, going to use a former Project Veritas operative named Tarah Price, who lives in the Dallas area, to, you know, possibly ensnare McMaster at a restaurant, get him to say something ill toward or maybe negative about Trump, something that would compromise him. These were videos of - you know, in one case, Democrats or people working for the government who were - you know, it seemed like they were slow rolling the president's agenda or trying to thwart it or using - they were part of, you know, the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America. And we're speaking with New York Times reporter Adam Goldman. GOLDMAN: Yeah, I would say an active - sure, an active player in certain parts of Trump's world, yeah, or conservative - the conservative world. And last year, I learned that Beau and Sofia had been working out of this house in Georgetown. I'm Dave Davies, in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. WASHINGTON During the summer of 2018, as Richard Seddon, a former British spy, was trying to launch a new venture to use undercover agents to infiltrate progressive groups, Democratic campaigns and other opponents of President Donald J. Trump, he turned for help to a longtime friend and former colleague: Erik Prince, the private military contractor. Did you receive the spare camera yet?. And as part of this effort, Richard Seddon was brought on to handle training and really professionalize Project Veritas' undercover operations. Wapiti resident Erik Prince is one of several people associated with a Wyoming-based effort to infiltrate political campaigns and get "dirt" to sabotage candidates. They targeted The Washington Post. And another individual named Barbara Ledeen, who worked for a prominent senator, his committee - Chuck Grassley - she admitted her involvement, and she had actually said she had met with a Project Veritas operative. contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trumps education secretary has drawn scrutiny over the years for Blackwaters record of violence around the world and his subsequent ventures training and arming foreign forces. Adam Goldman reports on the FBI and national security for the Times and was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for national reporting on Russia's meddling in the presidential election. DAVIES: Let me reintroduce you again. "Somebody who had his calendar conveyed to me that he goes to Tosca all the time," she said, and she passed the information on to a man she believed to be a Project Veritas operative with a fake name. DAVIES: What are Erik Prince's contacts or associations with Donald Trump and the Trump family? And ultimately, it did blow up in their face. But I didn't reveal that I knew Beau and Sofia had lived at that house at the time because we were working - concurrently, we were working on this larger story about them. The documents give new details about efforts to manipulate the politics of Wyoming. Do we know? So what exactly was the plan to (laughter) catch McMaster saying something he shouldn't? And this website is devoted to revealing the identities of Project Veritas operatives. With @Project_Veritas's special training, we will be the next great intelligence agency. What did they show? GOLDMAN: She was very active. Along with gathering intel, Maier and LaRocca sought to bait individuals associated with Better Wyoming into making statements they could secretly record and hand over to their clients. - where you have people in your organization who aren't who they say they are, you know, collecting intelligence, if that's what you want to call it. Using a different alias the next year, the same undercover operative infiltrated the congressional campaign of Abigail Spanberger, then a former C.I.A. So flesh out the picture a bit. GOLDMAN: I was going to say, you know, talking to Republicans, moderate Republicans, I mean, moderate - these guys are pretty conservative, by the way - when we're describing it as moderate Republicans they were targeting. And, of course, that was an entree into a larger circle of prominent Democrats. You'd have to ask Mr. O'Keefe. You mentioned that he was recruited by Erik Prince. But, you know, his sister is Betsy DeVos, and she was Secretary of Education during the Trump administration. In August 2017, Ms. Jorge wrote to Mr. Seddon that she had managed to record a local union leader talking about Ms. DeVos and other topics. Erik Prince, founder of private . WASHINGTON Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive. A former British spy and Republican mega-donor Erik Prince, a founder of the private military contractor Blackwater (now rebranded as "Academi) and brother to former U.S. Education Secretary. GOLDMAN: Well, that's a great question and one we struggle with at the Times in trying to put this in context. So there has been - the two have interacted, I think, even before Trump was president. For example, Rolling Stone published an investigative piece in October, The New York Times broke the news of Princes potential run on Oct. 8, 2017, in another interview with Breitbart a few days later, identified the site as the Prince ranch in a 2019 article, asserting Prince participated in a plan to dampen turnout among Black voters, Powered by Creative Circle Media Solutions. GOLDMAN: Well, some people have speculated this was some sort of back channel to Russia because there was a - I believe there was a Russian investment manager there who has ties to Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia. ADAM GOLDMAN: They went there after making sizable donations to the DNC, the Democratic National Committee - $10,000 each - at the request of a Colorado businessman who was a - he's a fundraiser for the Democrats and basically said, if you make this donation, you can come and hang out in Las Vegas. 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