It is television fiction. Fetching times four. Grantham would likely have been the name of an estate or county or shire or some other territory given to some man named Crawley a few hundred years earlier. Peerages are created by the British monarch, like all Crown honors, being affirmed by Letters Patent affixed with the Great Seal of the Realm. or when Anna (maid) became a ladys maid.. they asked if its OK to keep calling her Anna instead of Bates.I am so confused.Thank you for your time and help.All the best,Shirley. The Dowager Countess of Grantham. One younger sister who participated in the study, Aileen, told about her relationship with Dinah, three years older. On the one hand, Edith's story like Mary's contains a sort of gross "don't have sex when you're not supposed to or you'll pay a horrible price" lesson. There, at the insistence of Aunt Rosamund, Edith placed her child informally not legally with some very nice Swiss people, apparently, but she almost immediately began having second thoughts. I think he still addresses them by their formal names but I intend to pay particular attention from now on. No Mr/Mrs or Miss. I like to imagine her steadily ascending the class ladder until she reappears in Season 9 as the barrister handling Mr. Bates seventh appeal trial. Editors note: For the benefit of American readers who havent yet seen Season 3 of Downton Abbey, please do your best to avoid spoilers when commenting. 4,289, This story has been shared 2,664 times. This line really embodies the cruelty that Mary expresses towards Edith on a daily basis. Thank you for the explanation! Downton Abbey invests a lot of time and effort in convincing us that John Bates, Lord Grantham's trusty, is a great guydespite his checkered past and multiple murder allegations. Both Lord and Lady Grantham have blue eyes, but their eldest daughter, Mary, has brown eyes. "Downton Abbey's" serial mistreatment of Edith Crawley, the ultimate middle child, is one of its most telling quirks. Set in the early 1900s, the show gives a fairly accurate idea of life for the aristocracy at this time and the changes that the first world war brought to the United Kingdoms formerly rigid class system. The valet was suspected of murder (twice). Did we lose one along the way? The complete crackpot theory is that this was a cover for Matthews infertility, which the doctors wouldnt disclose to him, presumably to preserve his 1920s masculinity. The family would call them by their first name if it were known to them or perhaps nothing at all. Continue browsing in r/DowntonAbbey. Holmes sees the Marigold storyline as evidence that Edith is learning to take her destiny into her own hands. I took a tiny bit of (guilty) pleasure in the working-class womens mockery of herthough in true high-Tory style, Julian Fellowes had the woman who made fun of Isobel be a lazy good-for-nothing who is constantly demanding to be handed a fish rather than signing up for fishing lessons. My own belief is that the Crawleys would still be there.. Being American, I fear I have a rather limited understanding of the British system regarding the bestowing of titles. So Edith gave her lady's maid time off for the duration of Edith's trip to Downton. Lady Marys son George is only five years old in the series finale of Downton Abbey. Titles cannot be passed through the mother only through the father. (Though I liked the idea of a succession of increasingly diminutive names. Fans Fuming Over Mayim Bialik and Ken Jennings' Hosting Schedules: "I Want Ken Full-Time". Photograph courtesy of Carnival Film & Television Ltd. 2012 for Masterpiece. A peeress may be addressed as Your Ladyship or Madam. To have to leave a child she loved with complete strangers could not have been easy. Her full title isThe Dowager Countess of Granthamand is also referred to as simpleLady Grantham. ", On the surface, this may seem to be the saddest thing of all for Edith, in that it seems to be, for her, a far more profoundly important pain than her various suitors would be alone. On a related note, is there any change to Lady Marys address due to her being the widow of the late heir (Matthew Crawley) or the mother of the current heir? It's mentioned in series 4 (IIRC) - Lady Mary ask Anna to look after Rose while they are in London because they can't take Madge away from Lady Edith who is staying at Downton Abbey. I hope this makes sense. Downton Abbey's Lady Edith finally got her happy ending in tonight's emotional last ever episode. The film had a very crowded plot, with all the old characters plus a lot of new ones, all deserving some screen time. This theory all comes down to . When Edith asks him the true reason why he came up to Scotland, he reveals he wants to get to know her family. Another one suggests that Gregson was a British spy gathering intel on the insurgent Nazisand he might not have died at all. Addressed by servants asYour Ladyship orMiLady and equals as simply Lady Grantham. Hers, too, it seemed. Brigitte Zaugg, author of the journal article "The Art of Irresolution in Edith Wharton's 'The Lady's Maid's Bell'", presents an enlightened . The show has always made a point of depicting her as a bitter loser, which is not only unkind, but unfair. Another old custom, often written into the fathers will when a daughter inherits estate & titles with no surviving brothers, and then marries. Perhaps Gregson will come back from the dead Germany and the family can be reunited at last. Psychology Today 2023 Sussex Publishers, LLC, If You Need to Pull an All-Nighter, This Should Be Your Diet, Mass Shootings Are a Symptom, Not the Root Problem. Since abbey means place that nuns or monks used to live, was the Downton house supposed to be a former monastary or nunnery? She won't be content to let other people tell her that she can't be an unwed. The fact she can transform from drab Lady Edith to drop-dead gorgeous glamazon to walk the red carpet, and elicit reactions . Theres a lot to admire about Matthews mother, who regularly steps out of her comfort zone to improve the lives of the less fortunate, but shes also more than a tad condescending. I also wondered this as I live in a town called grantham where Margret thatcher was born and wondered if there was a connection with the town. 'Yellowstone' Return Date Info, Meghan McCain Calls Out Former 'View' Coworker Joy Behar for Her "Evil" East Palestine Comments, Where Is Hoda Kotb? I am not sure how common it was for a married woman to be in service and if the fact of being married had any impact on how they were addressed. But what if everyones assumptions about Bates are exactly right? Mary gets whatever she wantsan archbishop to perform her wedding, her husband to accept a legacy that makes him uncomfortable so that she can live in the house she wants to, despite its impracticalitywhile everyone else gets to decide whats right for her sister Edith. Next we have the two living daughters of the Earl and Countess of Grantham, Mary Crawley andEdith Crawley. Mary will not have a title unless she marries a person of title. I have a question: under what circumstances is it correct to address someone with the title Lord/Lady and his/her first name? Her proper title isThe Countess of Grantham and she, like Lord Grantham, can be addressed as Lady Grantham by equals andMiLady by servants. What about young George? Lord Granthams wife, Cora Crawley (played by Elizabeth McGovern) is known asLady Grantham. Edith is justthere. Why add Edith's lady's maid, who doesn't have anything really interesting to do? For example, Tom Branson was Brandon before he got married, then he was Tom after he married Lady C, then once he became the agent of the estate, Violet/Lady G said they can finally call him Branson again. All contents 2023 The Slate Group LLC. At the head of the family is Lord Grantham,whos name is Robert Crawley (played by Hugh Bonneville). After enjoying a day of fox hunting and an evening of sparkling conversation, Kemal Pamuk drops dead right in Lady Marys bed. But that means he would theoretically be 18 in the fall of 1939, which is exactly when World War II broke out in Europe. In the case of Downton Abbey, the butler, housekeeper and Cook are Mr and Mrs accordingly and are called by all staff as such as well as among themselves. Unlucky in love, unlucky in life. My Lady is *never* correct, although unfortunately the courts of justice seem to require it when addressing a female judge of senior rank. And what about Mary? That would be charming except the rest of the clip is just Downton Abbey cast members puzzling over her epic bad luck. One thing thats key to the show yet is not widely understood by many are the titles used by members of the family. You see, Edith may not be lucky, but she is not stupid, and she had come to understand that when one disappears into post-WWI Germany after being last seen with some disagreeable fellows in brown shirts, one may never be seen again. But then I thought, maybe Julian Fellowes will pull the rug out from all of us, force them to live in this still completely gigantic mansion with a mere 8 servants, and rename the show Downton Place! If Downton is the estate and Roberts last name and his fathers last name is Crawley, is Earl of Grantham the title itself awarded by a monarch as you described? Although it may not be obvious, Marys need to keep Edith under her thumb belies deep insecuritya profound flaw in her charactermaking her capable of splitting off any guilt in the service of coldly maintaining her fragile superiority. Thomas: Lets make that three wedding receptions we were swizzed out of. How dare she feel jealousy for her chilly older sister? 1. Interestingly, if Lord Grantham had a son, he would go by the title ofLord Downton (fully as Viscount Downton)because Lord Grantham also holds this as whats called a subsidiary title which is like a secondary, lesser title. The Earl of Grantham is a peer and the eldest son of the Earl of Grantham would be styled Viscount Downton, however the Viscount Downton wouldnt be a peer as he is using the title by right of his father, who actually is the title holder. Perhaps the lesson of all these stories of Edith being left and left and left again is nothing brings in misery like being entirely at the mercy of other people's decisions to stay or leave, which is where Edith's father, well-meaning though he may be, has left her. Let us return to when we met Edith, four seasons ago. Even Alfred the novice footmanaka tall, 1920s Landry Clarkedoesnt hesitate to walk all over him. She would probably have opened the house to the public in the 1960s, as so many of them did, Fellowes told Deadline. The son of a valet would not have any titles, nor would anyone care what he was called. The main question I have coming out of this episode: Whats left to resolve? Eventually, Edith and Sir Anthony patch things up, get engaged, and even have a wedding day. If it is Earl of (name) (Earl of Avon, Earl of Oxford) it is almost always a place. Robert Crawley is addressed asLord Grantham by equals and asYour LordshiporMiLord by servants. Reviewed by Ekua Hagan. Tom is the Granthams son in law, Lady Sibyls widower. The title is still claimed by his heirs through their maternal line in Italy. Her mother-in-law is called Cora, Countess of Grantham. (Thinking here of Lady Diana Spencer and others.) Its in series 3, I wont ruin it for you. She wont be content to let other people tell her that she cant be an unwed mother. Younger sons of Dukes and Marquesses are the only people that should be addressed as Lord [First Name] and daughters of Earls, Marquesses and Dukes should be addressed as Lady [First Name]. Edith is certainly sad that she's not married yet, but it's the limits on her other options that make this life-breakingly depressing for her. Or did he give up Lord Downtown to become Lord Gratham when his father died? Dear Shirley, I can just imagine the googly eyes! SUPPORT OUR JOURNALISM: Please consider donating to keep our website running and free for all - thank you! They wrapped up Mrs. Hughes health scare lickety splitId thought that would last all season. I feel like Ive seen all their tricks before. Robert dies. Lady's maids were often held onto even when the rest of the staff were decreasing rapidly, and a marchioness would certainly be expected to have one. This was wonderful and very enjoyable. 1,546, This story has been shared 1,335 times. 3 throughout "The Lady's Maid's Bell", and Stengel would perhaps say she is plagued by . Why does this happen to Edith? Anna was always maid to the girls, as it was her one of her numerous duties as head housemaid. Reply SarahMakesYouStrong Additional comment actions Stevenson: Oh that Gwen Dawson. Best wishes to you in the coming year. Sorry I forgot to put this in the other posts but another aspect to consider is that a Marchioness, ranking so high, would probably be expected to dress better and overall put on a better impression than the unmarried middle daughter of an Earl. The Crawleys spend much of Downton Abbey fretting about the future management of their estatepartially because Lord Grantham is kind of bad at it. I also feel bad for Lady Edith, who saw the one time things in that house were finally about her go terribly, terribly wrong, but Sir Anthony is a putz. When they visited the possible future Downton Place, I got a bit excited, because for me the issue undercutting this whole plot point about whether the family might lose Downton Abbey is that of course the television program is called Downton Abbey. This story has been shared 18,354 times. I interviewed over 400 women, teens, and girls about their sister relationships, and heard many stories of how damaging the constant day-to-day abuse can be to the recipients self-esteem. I would like an explanation of the names used for the servants both at Downton and in Scotland. But isnt it wild to think of Carson and Cora having an affair? It was the same thing when Charles and Diana divorced. And so, Edith undid the informal arrangement and brought her baby back to Downton (while everyone else is away), and placed her with a local farmer and his family. Lady Mary will always be the daughter of an Earl so she will always be known as the Lady Mary Crawley, unless she remarried, in which case shed assume her husbands styles and titles. Maybethere is a silver lining to all of Edithsheartache. So before the 3 Crawley girls were married, Anna was a housemaid and looked after all 3 girls. 2,161, This story has been shared 1,804 times. OK, so if Robert Crawley, Seventh Earl of Grantham, had a son he would the the Viscount Downton. One of the Crawley sisters got knocked up by her older married boyfriend, who promptly went missing. We have many more delightfully implausible frolics ahead of us. Mary would have held the title of Countess of Grantham had her first husband, Matthew, lived to succeed her father. As for Mary and Edith, they began to realize the importance of their bond as sisters. But Lady Mary has taken over when the series ends, and Fellowes believes shed find savvy ways to keep her familys home in their hands. I'm surprised, I would have thought a family that could afford it would have made sure their out in society daughters would have ladies' maids, so they could look their best as they hunt for husbands. Top Filming Locations For the Tom Hanks Movie, Never Forget Joe Manganiellos Iconic Gas Station Strip Scene Now That Magic Mike XXL is on Netflix, Stream It Or Skip It: 'A Man Called Otto' on VOD, Starring Tom Hanks as a Stereotypical Grumpy Old Man, Chris Pine Laughs Off Rumors of Harry Styles Feud: "It Did Look Like Harry Spit on Me", How To Watch 'Magic Mike's Last Dance,' Now Available From On-Demand Retailers, Stream It Or Skip It: EO on the Criterion Channel, a Donkey's Life Interpreted as Art. Thomas: Well, it looks like were being set up for another rerun: The question of what Ethel the housemaid-turned-prostitute should do with her son. Why was Lady Edith jilted at the altar? And then they rolled up the rugs on Ediths before it even began.). The newly pregnant Lady Grantham slips on a bar of soap, falling onto the bathroom tiles and inducing a miscarriage. So the divorced Margaret had to settle for being styled Margaret, Duchess of Argyll. I still dont understand where the name Grantham comes from. Or it could just be a sign that Rosamund cares about her niece. They then called him Tom when he became part of the family although the dowager did so reluctantly. If so, who are they? Rosamund thought. 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And yet, when Fellowes was interviewed about Edith, he claims that nothing could be further from the truth. Theres damage being done here! I meant physically she might not know how to do all of the fancy hairstyles and thingsbut yes. They divorced. Im pretty excited about thatif ever there was a couple that deserved mutually assured destruction, its them. Tsk.). It's hard out there for Lady Edith Crawley. Downton Abbey is, without doubt, one of the most consistently popular TV shows produced in recent times. And anyway, that wedding disaster was such a stupid, great Downton momentI screamed with laughter when he muttered, I cant do this. And poor Edith! Thank you and all at Royal Central for the entertainment and education. George has the surname Crawley, from his father. He hoped if her family got to know him, it would be easier for them to be on his side. Anyone who does not know that Dowager refers to a widow might like a more complete explanation. This is the case for all daughters of Earls, Marquesses and Dukes, formally their titles areThe Lady Mary CrawleyandThe Lady Edith Crawley, addressed normally as Lady Mary and Lady Edith and by servants asMiLady. He eventually disappears inside Germany in season 4, and later dispatches to the Crawley family imply that he was a victim of Adolf Hitlers thugs. (The show timeline places Gregson in Munich right around the time of the Beer Hall Putsch.) It worked: stole his letters and then told Thomas it would never happen again and he didn't need a valet. Brush up on the best of them before the Downton Abbey movie hits theatersjust in case the whole miscarriage curse comes up. My understanding is that the family name is Grantham and that Lady Mary married Matthew Crawley. Mr. Carson is Lady Mary's father. Dashing away with a soothing iron, indeed. Nothing. When Violet dies, custom dictates Cora then becomes known as the Dowager Countess of Grantham. Knowing what you value will help you build the most meaningful life possible. Laura Carmichael as Lady Edith, whose rather appalling luck seems destined to follow her. 1,201, This story has been shared 1,163 times. Continue to watch and you will find out. hide caption. And thats what I aim to explain in this article. You said the son of Lord Grantham would have been called Lord Downtown, why was this not the case for Robert when his own father was the Lord Gratham? The lower ranking staff usually have minimum contact with the family on a regular basis and are often supposed to keep out of the familys eyesight. But really, this is one of the first times Edith has well and truly made her own decision, in defiance of her family, and has taken care of business, as it were. Only married women have lady's maids. How dare Edith exist for something other than marriage? As she has married untitled Mr Henry Talbot she is Lady Mary Talbot. 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